Friday, March 04, 2005

Post Fifth Order of Consciousness?

On chart 4c in Wilber's Integral Psychology, Wilber correlate his "Fulcrums" with Kegan's orders of consciousness. We can see by the chart that Wilber put his levels of fulcrum exactly at the same levels of Kegan's.

RK's Stage 0 (incorporative) <=> KW's F-1 (physical)
RK's Stage 1 (impulsive) <=> KW's F-2 (emotional)
RK's Stage 2 (imperial) <=> KW's F-3 (mental: self-concept)
RK's Stage 3 (interpersonal) <=> KW's F-4 (mental: role-self (persona))
RK's Stage 4 (institutional) <=> KW's F-5 (mental: ego (rational reflexive))
RK's Stage 5 (interindividual) <=> KW's F-6 (integrated: centaur)
*****end of Kegan's theory*****
(In order to be "full spectrum," I try to formulate post-stage 5 stages from Kegan's idea of a spiral of evolutionary truces (similar to Spiral Dynamics), which is a movement from stage to stage within the tension between autonomy and communion (incorporative-autonomy; impulsive-communion; imperial-autonomy; interpersonal-communion; institutional-autonomy; interindividual-communion), as well as from my own experiences of meditation, self-inquiry, Theravadin texts, Thich Nhat Hanh and Ramana Maharshi.)
*****post-stage 5 possibilites*****
(Stage 6 (intuitive?) <=> KW's F-7 (soul: psychic)
(Stage 7 (interbeing?) <=> KW's F-8 (soul: subtle)
(Stage 8 (infinite?) <=> KW's F-9 (spirit: causal)
([off stage] (I-I?) <=> KW's "off fulcrum" nondual (spirit: nondual)

First post-stage 5 stage or the first stage at transpersonal realm moves from the over-communion of interindividual balance to a new form of autonomous transverbal, self-transcendental balance, which I call "intuitive." This idea comes from Theravadin's notion of Sotapanna, who is able to be free from (or thrown from) three fetters: personality belief, skeptical doubt, clinging to mere rules and rituals. Embeddedness in the three fetters can be seen as a self-identity arising from thoughts as well as interpenetrability of self systems (or interindividuality) . In a nutshell, the self embedded in the noosphere move to the next level to see all thoughts as its objects, including self-constructive thoughts both inside and outside.
Here is what Kegan said about post fifth order of consciousness (See Robert Kegan's Epistemology, Fourth Order Consciousness, and the Subject-Object Relationship)

Now I think what you're describing are post fifth order apprehensions. It's hard enough, at least for me, to fully grasp the fifth order. And this is language about a development that I think most people are either never going to be at the edge of, or, if they are, it's going to be much later in their lives. But I do think that it's worth thinking about ways of being more receptive to the momentary glimpses of these other ways of constructing the world, which I think people do have. In Abraham Maslow's work in the sixties, he created a space for people to talk about experiences that just did not fit in with their normal way of understanding themselves, the kind of experiences that we tend, therefore, to discredit or just leave out. And he was saying that maybe those are little messages from our future. We have all kinds of ways of screening out these little messages that come from the future. It's not a future that none of us have actually been in, but a future that every one of us probably has been in that is outside the ways we construct reality. If we can find ways to actually start listening to these messages even though we cannot quite make them fit in to our current way of constructing the world, they might be of enormous value.



2 comments:

ebuddha said...

Very nice - good information - thanks for the concise summary - very useful for those of us without a lot of time. Have you looked at other people who are doing these equivalences on the higher stages? Are you doing this in your phd work?

Again, concise
summaries are nice!

Aeh said...

Thanks, JC. I try to search for other work as well, but I don't find any. And yes, my phd work have something to do with the transpersonal stages so it'll be much useful in my dissertation. Anyway, it's just at very preliminary step. I have to do more research and discuss with other researchers, Kegan's students and if possible with Kegan himself. It maybe a long journey ahead my phd completion.

Just a perspective!